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Gun Buybacks
« on: December 13, 2011, 12:56:50 PM »
What are your thoughts about gun buybacks?  For them, against them?  Do they do any good?  Do they do any harm?  Thoughts on buyback money coming from private sources versus public tax dollars?


Deleware cops make no bones about it:  They don't expect crime guns to be turned in.  "We're not naive in thinking crime weapons are going be turned in," said Wilmington Police Chief Michael Szczerba. "There will be very few crime guns turned in, if any at all."  Instead, they say that paying people up to $200 is simply to get guns out of circulation that might, sometime in the future be stolen, used in a crime or used during a domestic dispute. 

The Delaware program, widely promoted by local clergy, law enforcement and even the governor, offers $100 for hunting rifles and shotguns, $150 for handguns and $200 for so-called "assault rifles," payable in the form of a pre-paid debit card.  They are also accepting ammunition, but will not pay for it. 

An article out of Florida describes a recent gun buyback that netted over 1000 guns, each of which was turned in ("no questions asked") in exchange for $50.  The buyback was a part of Tampa Police Department’s “Save our sons, turn in your guns” event.


Discuss your thoughts about gun buyback programs in this thread.

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Gun Buybacks
« on: December 13, 2011, 12:56:50 PM »

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Re: Gun Buybacks
« Reply #1 on: December 13, 2011, 06:44:26 PM »
Buybacks are total bunk. 

The only thing it does is give criminals an easy way to ditch their crime guns (you don't get paid $200 for chucking it in the river, after all), gives other criminals a reason to steal any guns they see when they're committing their crimes, gives broke angry-at-their-parents kids a reason to trade daddy's gun for Xbox money and convinces old widows to send their hubby's war relics to the incinerator.

Next to no good comes from these programs.  Just more useless fear mongering by antis.  "Guns are so horrible that we'll pay you $200 a pop to get them off the street"



They always say "no questions asked."  I wonder if ATF ever sets up camp at these things and grabs up the people bringing in unregistered machine guns, SBRs, AOWs, etc.  They take such elaborate steps to rig guns to fire more than once per trigger pull (Olaffson) or entrap somebody to chop off a shotgun barrel (Weaver) so they can send them to prison or raid their house.  Seems like a buyback would be like shooting fish in a barrel.

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Re: Gun Buybacks
« Reply #2 on: December 19, 2011, 10:47:54 AM »
Successful gun buyback in Brooklyn
Empire State News


“In just the first two hours, over 70 handguns were relinquished to authorities. It is essential to have such events to bolster safer streets in our communities. By removing as many guns from our streets as possible through this Gun Buy Back Program, we are taking a step in the right direction,” said Senator Martin Malave Dilan (D-Bushwick).
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Each year the buyback program offers individuals the opportunity to turn in any type of gun for cash.  Those turning in handguns in operable condition received a $200 bankcard, while operable rifles or shotguns received a $20 bankcard. By the conclusion of yesterday's event, 180 guns were collected. The weapons will be destroyed.
(read entire story here)

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Re: Gun Buybacks
« Reply #3 on: December 19, 2011, 11:01:39 AM »
Buybacks are total bunk. 

The only thing it does is give criminals an easy way to ditch their crime guns (you don't get paid $200 for chucking it in the river, after all), gives other criminals a reason to steal any guns they see when they're committing their crimes, gives broke angry-at-their-parents kids a reason to trade daddy's gun for Xbox money and convinces old widows to send their hubby's war relics to the incinerator.

Next to no good comes from these programs.  Just more useless fear mongering by antis.  "Guns are so horrible that we'll pay you $200 a pop to get them off the street"


this post hits the nail on the head.  what do these things accomplish?  bad guys use a gun until they're done with it and then get to have it professionally disposed of?  good guys trade their safety for a 200 dollar gift card?  bad guys get an incentive to steal something guns they might not have otherwise?  in some places the gun owner can get charged with a crime for not reporting their gun stolen within a certain time like a day or something.  giving bad guys an incentive to steal guns is a lose-lose-lose: more theft, guns in bad guys hands, potential problems for gun owner, an extra wad of cash in bad guy's pocket.

not to mention that they admit that most guns aren't crime guns and probably wouldn't ever be used in crimes.  they're just guns that they want to get off the street that arent and probably wouldn't ever hurt anyone or anything.  think what this does to the used gun market - it's like the cash for clunkers only for guns.  not that the people in charge of these things care about taking perfectly good working condition guns off the street or destroying C&R pieces of history.

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Re: Gun Buybacks
« Reply #4 on: December 25, 2011, 09:21:37 PM »
I have never seen a guy buyback around here.  why not hang out nearby and out bid the buyback price by a little on the nicer guns?   ;D

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Re: Gun Buybacks
« Reply #5 on: December 29, 2011, 11:47:59 AM »
Camden collects 57 guns in exchange for grocery vouchers
December 28, 2011
By Darran Simon, INQUIRER STAFF WRITER

Organizers doled out $5,700 worth of Pathmark gift cards - a $100 gift card for each weapon - in the first city-sponsored gun buyback program since 1993, a city spokesman said. Pathmark is the only major grocery store in the city.
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"We want to get as many guns off the street as possible," Mayor Dana L. Redd said Wednesday during a visit to Higher Ground Temple Church of God in Christ, one of five church drop-off locations. "We want to make Camden a safer city. . . . We need the residents' participation."
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Among the weapons turned in were a sniper rifle with scope, sawed-off shotguns, .38-caliber handguns, .22-caliber revolvers, and a .40-caliber semiautomatic. Most were operable; a handful were old and rusty, though officials couldn't immediately tell how old.
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Re: Gun Buybacks
« Reply #6 on: December 29, 2011, 11:23:56 PM »
Successful gun buyback in Brooklyn
Empire State News


“In just the first two hours, over 70 handguns were relinquished to authorities. It is essential to have such events to bolster safer streets in our communities. By removing as many guns from our streets as possible through this Gun Buy Back Program, we are taking a step in the right direction,” said Senator Martin Malave Dilan (D-Bushwick).
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Each year the buyback program offers individuals the opportunity to turn in any type of gun for cash.  Those turning in handguns in operable condition received a $200 bankcard, while operable rifles or shotguns received a $20 bankcard. By the conclusion of yesterday's event, 180 guns were collected. The weapons will be destroyed.
(read entire story here)

The weapons will be destroyed? This is gunocide. Where is the outrage?

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Re: Gun Buybacks
« Reply #7 on: January 04, 2012, 10:42:06 AM »
It is a crying shame, right?  It reminds me of this picture:


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Re: Gun Buybacks
« Reply #8 on: June 08, 2012, 01:49:53 AM »
Buyback?  How can you buy something you never owned 'back', using other people's money?

Aside from the obvious fact that it's just another bastardization of the language (like 'assault weapon' - more on that later - or 'n*gg*rtown Saturday night special - yeah, that's the original terminology), it's nothing more than a 'feel-good' dog and pony show hatched by politicians who want to show the feebs they misrepresent that they're 'doing something'.  If they wanted to 'do' something constructive, they'd find a way to segregate violent criminals from the rest of society - oh, wait...aren't those things called 'prisons' supposed to be used for that? - and have them joined by judges and parole boards who toss them back among us with little or no time in 'country clubs', where they learn to be better criminals.  Of course, that might also mean more cops have to do real police work, rather than sitting by the roadside with radar guns, harassing people for littering (that should be up to us) or jaywalking, or doing union organizing on our dime.

That said, back to the topic at hand:  Part of the 'deal' in a so-called 'buyback' is 'no questions asked' - as mentioned, you have a 'hot piece', what better way to dispose of it?  You have a rusted-out frame you found the last time there was actually water in the San Pedro?  Not worth $5 as scrap, but they'll buy it 'back' for a healthy multiple of that.  The next time one is announced, denounce it for the sham it is.

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Re: Gun Buybacks
« Reply #9 on: June 13, 2012, 09:14:32 PM »
We know they're bogus; we know they demonize guns; we know they don't make any sense; we know they're a waste of money and a waste of (usually) perfectly good guns.  What can we do, though?  I mean from a pro-gun standpoint. 


Show up at the buyback and try to educate someone?  Who?  The thug trying to get some money out of a stolen and/or crime-used gun?  The granny who can get a little extra money for meds from her late hubby's war relics?  The soccer mom who wants that "icky dangerous" gun out from under the same roof as her kid?  If they already packed it up and are in line to get the money, what would you say to them to change their mind?


Write letters to someone and give them facts?  Cops?  City officials?  "Parents against guns?"  Politicians spending other people's money buy anonymous guns?  If they're putting on a gun "buy back" then they're probably either close minded enough, under enough political pressure or have enough of their own agenda that they're going to put it on one way or the other.  Giving them facts, common sense, etc isn't going to change their minds.  It will likely just get you the same tired old rhetoric from them that they always give - lies about how this type of thing reduces crime, keeps so-and-so safe, etc.


Try to get museums or historical organizations on board to at least save valuable artifacts like war bring-backs?  Think there's any chance of anyone in charge letting a transfer like that go through, no matter how noble the cause?


I'm not just ranting, either.  I am really asking what we can do.  It seems like someone ought to be educated somewhere about this.  Educate enough and maybe enough people might see how ridiculous these things are </pipedream>

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Re: Gun Buybacks
« Reply #10 on: June 18, 2012, 09:58:12 PM »
Gun "Buy Back" Programs Continue, Despite Being Ineffective
June 18, 2012
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Plenty of politicians and anti-gunners love gun turn-ins, often incorrectly called “buy backs.”  (As one GunLink Forum user says, “How can you buy something you never owned ‘back’, using other people’s money?”)  Misnomer or otherwise, the facts point to these programs being largely ineffective wastes of money, often at the expense of taxpayers.

For example, a recent Chicago Tribune OpEd  states that six such events conducted over the past six years have yielded over 23,000 weapons turned in.  One highly touted event alone claimed to remove over 4,000 weapons from the streets, (despite nearly all of them not being “on the streets” in the first place and nearly 700 being fakes or replicas anyway).  For some, this makes little difference.  As New Haven, Connecticuit, Assistant Police Chief Tobin Hensgen says READ MORE...

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Re: Gun Buybacks
« Reply #11 on: June 18, 2012, 09:59:07 PM »
Check out the thread about a Toy Gun Buy Back in NY

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Re: Gun Buybacks
« Reply #12 on: June 19, 2012, 07:48:41 AM »
From this perspective only, I like them. A local organization (GSL) collects unuseable guns (real junk) turns them in, then takes the money and donates it to local NRA kids safety camp. In my mind that is the only thing they are good for.
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Re: Gun Buybacks
« Reply #13 on: June 20, 2012, 02:51:36 PM »
From this perspective only, I like them. A local organization (GSL) collects unuseable guns (real junk) turns them in, then takes the money and donates it to local NRA kids safety camp. In my mind that is the only thing they are good for.

What is GSL?  I like that they roll the reward back into something like the Eddie Eagle program.  I pretty much completely disagree with buy back programs, but something like that I might get behind.

To answer the poster above you, maybe this is something that we can organize to make these programs somewhat useful.  But at what point does it become something where you would need an FFL because you are taking in the guns that aren't really for yourself with the intention of getting rid of them?

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Re: Gun Buybacks
« Reply #14 on: June 21, 2012, 06:29:54 AM »
GSL is Guns Save Life. I would give you a link to the web but they are currently updating their web page. Local organization in central Illinois. Chicago's buy back is, no questions asked. They have several collection points. My understanding is they spread out the take so it isn't all at one. They donate to the NRA Shooting Sports Camp. A locally run kids camp. Longest running in the nation I believe, at Bloomington, IL. It does turn a negative into a positive.  ::)
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Re: Gun Buybacks
« Reply #15 on: June 24, 2012, 07:08:31 PM »
Jon
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« Last Edit: July 02, 2012, 07:58:20 AM by jonbouy00 »
Jon
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Re: Gun Buybacks
« Reply #17 on: September 17, 2012, 10:42:39 AM »
85 Weapons Collected in NY "Buy Back"

Dirty Deeds Done Dirt Cheap For a Tidy Profit

A recent gun roundup in NY collected 40 revolvers, 28 semi-automatic handguns, nine rifles two shotguns and what the story calls an "assault rifle" but, in all likelihood, is not.  Given the no-questions-asked policy and the bounty of $200 for handguns and $20 for rifles and shotguns, the program provides the perfect opportunity for criminals to make some quick cash by ditching stolen firearms or other crime-used guns.

Our math might be a little rusty, but the numbers in the story don't quite add up to the numbers in the headline, but that's neither here nor there.  Let's say that 5 of the weapons weren't eligible for the cash prize.  The prize money doled out for the 68 handguns would be $13,600 and the 12 long guns would have netted another $240.  Nearly $14,000 doled out in this particular charade and we have yet to see a single study that says these programs are anything but useless.

Way to go, Brooklyn.



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Re: Gun Buybacks
« Reply #18 on: September 17, 2012, 06:49:57 PM »
We thought that this article was worth cross-posting here:

Examiner-Gun buy backs and using the enemies own resources
...While for the most part it would seem that such fuzzy, feel-good efforts are fairly harmless to gun rights (not to mention harmless to violent criminals' plans), and indeed represent a waste of the other side's funds that could otherwise finance more effective attacks on gun ownership, there could be more to such events than meets the eye...




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Re: Gun Buybacks
« Reply #19 on: October 07, 2012, 04:24:41 PM »
Jon
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