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Author Topic: Two more states pass permitless Constitutional Carry laws: Oklahoma and Kentucky  (Read 309 times)

Offline TheHarleyB

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Oklahoma governor Kevin Stitt signed the Constitutional Carry bill which will go into effect in November. The Kentucky Constitutional Carry bill passed the General Assembly and is on the way to Kentucky governor Matt Bevin, who said he is going to sign it (of course). Even though OK passed theirs first, it doesn't go into effect until November so KY will be the 15th state to allow CCW without a permit and OK will be the 16th unless someone else sneaks in ahead of them.

http://time.com/5540669/oklahoma-governor-gun-permitless-constitutional-carry/

https://www.whas11.com/article/news/politics/constitutional-carry-bill-passes-out-of-kentucky-house-heads-to-gov-bevins-desk/417-f3a45b65-05b7-49e2-913f-db0c71544f5c

The MSM news is up in arms about how terrible it is, but NRA did an article about the OK bill - https://www.nraila.org/articles/20190227/oklahoma-enacts-constitutional-carry-law
I don't see one for KY yet, they'll probably post something once the governor signs it.


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Offline masfonos

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Hell yes! 😁

Unless otherwise specified in the bill, KY laws go into effect 90 days after the end of the current KYGA session, which is the end of this month, so it should be going by the end of June. I saw a couple articles that said December, but I think they're wrong.

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Bad idea. Going to have all kinds of wackos carrying around guns and someoneís going to get hurt. No training, no background check. Crazy! Keep it to licensed responsible people!

Offline masfonos

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Bad idea. Going to have all kinds of wackos carrying around guns and someoneís going to get hurt. No training, no background check. Crazy! Keep it to licensed responsible people!

😂😂😂


Not sure if serious...

15 of the 16 constitutional carry states already allow open carry without a permit. The last count that I saw is 31 states allowing OC without a permit. Guess what... they're not knee deep in blood from "all kinds of wackos carrying around guns." The opposite is true.

It is your opinion that having a shirt covering the firearm is all of a sudden going to wreak havoc? Or is it your opinion that all those states are wrong and the citizens there should not be allowed to exercise their right to carry a firearm?

Do you currently have a CCW permit?

Offline TheHarleyB

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KY governor signed it so it will go into effect in about 3 months. There are still idiots going on about the training and background check BS.

One of the Moms Morons Demand Action useful idiots that argued against it during the hearings was bawling about her poor little angel that got shot in a park while playing basketball... "caught in the crossfire" between two groups of 15 year olds.  And, obviously, passing this bill will mean more groups of 15 year olds carrying guns.

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No. I do not have a carry permit and I do not carry a gun although I own several. If I did want to carry a gun I would take the required classes to get training and learn the laws and I would carry it concealed, not out in the open. The fact that some states allow open carry without a permit does not make things any better.

Yet another aspect of all this is that when police pull someone over it pops up and lets them know that the person has a gun permit. Allowing people to carry without that extra level of safety puts officers in the position of stopping people without knowing if they have a gun or not. Gee, how could that go wrong? Just trust the people, especially the ones with bad intent, to let the officer know that they have a gun? NOT LIKELY!

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Again, not sure if serious. No actual experience with the available classes or with carrying a firearm but you want everyone else to carry "your way"?

A cop (or anyone else for that matter) who has to deal with people in a potentially adversarial interaction would be foolish to assume that the other person is NOT armed. Best practices aside, some states require a "duty to inform" police that you're carrying and some don't. Carry permit or not, legal or not, Constitutional Carry laws or not, bad guys probably aren't going to admit they have guns. Constitutional carry doesn't magically put guns into the hands of bad guys, doesn't make it legal for felons to own or carry firearms, and in the grand scheme of things doesn't really change anything other than not forcing people to sit through a useless class and pay the state for permission to exercise their rights.  I can just about guarantee that almost everyone would probably be better served using a full day's worth of hours and couple hundred extra bucks for ammo and range time or a real training course instead of the paperwork fee and state-mandated "training" classes.


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Bad idea. Going to have all kinds of wackos carrying around guns and someoneís going to get hurt. No training, no background check. Crazy! Keep it to licensed responsible people!

The state laws already limit to licenses to people who can legally own a firearm.  This does not change.  Not taking the class does not mean you get a free pass on the laws on where you can and canít carry.  Ignorance is not a defense. Basically nothing will change except people who canít necessarily find the time to take the class can now exercise a constitutional right. 

Some may argue that requiring a license to exercise a constitutional right is a violation of your rights because the government canít require a license for a right. 


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We think it's a great thing 🤷‍♂️

Everyone has the right and should have the opportunity to protect themselves.

We do hope that people do take the time to learn about Kentucky state laws concerning concealed carry and use of force as well as familiarizing themselves with their firearms and how to use them safely and effectively.

http://kentuckystatepolice.org/ccdw/ccdw-home/

https://www.usconcealedcarry.com/resources/ccw_reciprocity_map/ky-gun-laws/

Remember that the new law allows anyone who would be eligible for a Kentucky CCDW permit (21+, not a prohibited person) to carry in the same manner (same allowed places, same not-allowed places) without a permit. There are still off-limit places and permitless-CCDWers will not enjoy other benefits of CCDW holders such as reciprocity with other states or the ability to produce the CCDW license in lieu of a Brady FBI NICS background check.
« Last Edit: March 28, 2019, 07:18:40 PM by Gunz »
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