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Author Topic: What is going on with Trump and guns?  (Read 439 times)

Offline TheHarleyB

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What is going on with Trump and guns?
« on: August 01, 2018, 09:16:00 AM »
First he ran his jaws about bump stocks and next thing you know NRA hates bump stocks and Jeff Sessions is "looking into them" and there's proposed rules to classify them as machine guns even though you can do the same thing without a stock.

Now he's running his mouth about 3D printed guns and now everyone's talking about banning them even though making your own firearm is perfectly legal. How long before that changes?

What will be next on his chopping block?

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What is going on with Trump and guns?
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Re: What is going on with Trump and guns?
« Reply #1 on: August 01, 2018, 05:55:32 PM »
Surprise! #NewYorkValues Thought he reformed since he supported the AWB?

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Re: What is going on with Trump and guns?
« Reply #2 on: August 02, 2018, 11:58:07 AM »
The whole thing is absurd. Everything about it is already completely covered by existing laws. I'm not sure who has his ear telling him this stuff, but they're full of it and, frankly, he just doesn't seem to know enough about guns to realize it.

The National Firearms Act defines exactly what a machine gun is, and it is not a "technique" for rapid fire or an accessory that facilitates that technique.  The bullshit Hughes amendment to the Firearm Owners Protection Act prohibits transfer of machine guns made after 1986... what are they going to do? Decide that the hundreds of thousands of these things sold were all illegal transfers? Decide that a loosely held rifle is a machine gun?

The Undetectable Firearms Act "makes it illegal to manufacture, import, sell, ship, deliver, possess, transfer, or receive any firearm that is not as detectable by walk-through metal detection as a security exemplar containing 3.7 oz (105 g) of steel, or any firearm with major components that do not generate an accurate image before standard airport imaging technology."

So, if someone were trying to make a completely 3D printed (and given current consumer tech, likely useless) gun, it would already be illegal and if caught, they'd probably have a bad time in prison with whatever fingers they have left after they get blown off.  If they're printing receivers or components and using useful metal components like fire control and barrel, it is the same perfectly legal process as any other legal homemade gun.

ATF: Does an individual need a license to make a firearm for personal use?
No, a license is not required to make a firearm solely for personal use. However, a license is required to manufacture firearms for sale or distribution. The law prohibits a person from assembling a non–sporting semiautomatic rifle or shotgun from 10 or more imported parts, as well as firearms that cannot be detected by metal detectors or x–ray machines. In addition, the making of an NFA firearm requires a tax payment and advance approval by ATF.

[18 U.S.C. 922(o), (p) and (r); 26 U.S.C. 5822; 27 CFR 478.39, 479.62 and 479.105]

So what's the problem, it's not like people are cranking out Glock 7s

<a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ecwK3UMxoxQ" target="_blank">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ecwK3UMxoxQ</a>

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Re: What is going on with Trump and guns?
« Reply #3 on: August 03, 2018, 08:05:05 PM »
At least NRA is trying to talk sense:

Chris W. Cox, executive director, National Rifle Association Institute for Legislative Action, released the following statement on Tuesday:

“Many anti-gun politicians and members of the media have wrongly claimed that 3-D printing technology will allow for the production and widespread proliferation of undetectable plastic firearms.  Regardless of what a person may be able to publish on the Internet, undetectable plastic guns have been illegal for 30 years.  Federal law passed in 1988, crafted with the NRA’s support, makes it unlawful to manufacture, import, sell, ship, deliver, possess, transfer, or receive an undetectable firearm.”


Saw on a few news stations that were saying it was BS too. I think the 3D guns thing is going to be a non starter unless DJT or someone else keeps trying to make it an issue.