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Author Topic: Only 2 days left to comment on bumpstock ban, do it now COMMENTS DUE BY JUNE 27  (Read 1902 times)

Offline masfonos

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If you don't want to see bump stocks, binary triggers, and anything else that the ATF can throw under the definitions in the proposed rules banned, COMMENT NOW!  The comment period closes on June 27. Check out this thread for more details.

Even though they're calling it a "bumpstock ban" it would very likely cover binary triggers like the Fostech Echo and Franklin Armory Binary Firing System (BFS). Judging from the footnotes, it would likely cover "positive reset triggers" like the Tac-Con 3MR.

Proposed rule: https://www.regulations.gov/document?D=ATF-2018-0002-0001

COMMENT HERE: https://www.regulations.gov/comment?D=ATF-2018-0002-0001

If they're going to throw TacCon triggers under the bus with this rule, what else are they going to use this rule to ban? (It's a rhetorical question - the answer is "everything that they can." TacCon site says the 3MR "has a positive reset that dramatically reduces the split times between shots. The positive reset characteristic is achieved by transferring the force from the bolt carrier through the trigger assembly to assist the trigger back onto the front sear."  The new rule makes several references to devices designed to "increase the rate of fire of a semiautomatic firearm" including their ATF Ruling 2006-2 - Classification of Devices Exclusively Designed to Increase the Rate of Fire of a Semiautomatic Firearm.

How many competition rifle triggers are out there that could help reduce split times (i.e. speed up the rate of fire)? Aside from allowing less movement during the trigger pull for precision shooting, any of the short, light triggers could reduce split times. Anything from Geissele, Timney, CMC, LaRue, etc. Mark my words, if this passes, the test won't be "will it fire multiple rounds any time you hold the trigger?" it will be "can the ATF cause it to ever fire multiple rounds with one trigger pull even if they can only do it once and they have to deliberately misuse it?" It won't be the first time they played that game either. A very short, very light trigger on a loosely held rifle with soft primer ammo, cause a double... boom: enjoy prison.

Then what? Competition Glock triggers from Apex, Lone Wolf, etc?

I sure hope this garbage doesn't go through.

From the other thread:

478.11 Meaning of terms.

Machinegun. A "machinegun", "machine pistol", "submachinegun", or "automatic rifle" is a weapon which shoots, is designed to shoot, or can be readily restored to shoot, automatically more than one shot, without manual reloading, by a single function of the trigger. The term shall also include the frame or receiver of any such weapon, any part designed and intended solely and exclusively, or combination of parts designed and intended, for use in convelting a weapon into a machinegun, and any combination of parts from which a machinegun can be assembled if such parts are in the possession or under the control of a person. For purposes of this definition, the term "automatically" ... means functioning as the result of a self-acting or self-regulating mechanism that allows the firing of multiple rounds through a single function of the trigger; and "single function of the trigger" means a single pull of the trigger. The term "machinegun" includes bumpstock-type devices, i.e., devices that allow a semiautomatic firearm to shoot more than one shot with a single pull of the trigger by harnessing the recoil energy of the semiautomatic firearm to which it is affixed so that the trigger resets and continues firing without additional physical manipulation of the trigger by the shooter.

It sounds to me like this would cover the echo triggers too. They changed it from the original text that just said "single function of the trigger" to say that "function" means "pull."  https://atf-eregs.18f.gov/478-11/03-1657#478-11-p3589220758
The echo triggers can fire two rounds with one "pull" even though there are two "functions"
« Last Edit: June 25, 2018, 01:07:58 PM by masfonos »

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Hopefully it's more successful than the 41F comments were 😕

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