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Re: 2016 pres race Anyone going to be pro gun?
« Reply #20 on: August 07, 2015, 08:46:10 AM »
Well. Im assuming most of on here are not Clinton fans. If you were undecided about Sanders he recently came out and said all firearms not used exclusivley for hunting ishould be banned. No indication on what that means but im assuming he means most firearms. Black powder might beleft alone?

O malley recently apologized for saying "black lives matter, white lives matter, all lives matter" after being asked by a "black lives matter" spokeswoman if understood the difference between black lives and white lives. Not that he ever had a shot at my vote, but he has ensured that i wi not vote him.

I didnt get a chance to watch the first GOP debates last night. What are your impressions?  My mother, who lives near Cleveland, says the local media loves Carly Fiorina.

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Re: 2016 pres race Anyone going to be pro gun?
« Reply #21 on: August 27, 2015, 01:29:15 AM »
Found this editiorial from Rep. candidate, Jim Gilmore about the 2nd amendment.

He is quoted as saying: “Every state and the District of Columbia will be required to honor the concealed carry permits issued by every other state and DC. There will never be an assault weapons ban during my presidency. As the Constitution says, our Second Amendment rights shall not be infringed.”

Read more: http://dailycaller.com/2015/08/26/jim-gilmore-preserving-our-second-amendment-rights/#ixzz3jzSr78uR

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Re: 2016 pres race Anyone going to be pro gun?
« Reply #22 on: September 16, 2015, 11:44:51 PM »
I only caught part of the debates tonight. 

How did they do?
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Re: 2016 pres race Anyone going to be pro gun?
« Reply #23 on: September 18, 2015, 05:28:48 PM »
https://www.donaldjtrump.com/positions/second-amendment-rights

PROTECTING OUR SECOND AMENDMENT RIGHTS WILL MAKE AMERICA GREAT AGAIN

Donald J. Trump on the Right to Keep and Bear Arms

The Second Amendment to our Constitution is clear. The right of the people to keep and bear Arms shall not be infringed upon. Period.

The Second Amendment guarantees a fundamental right that belongs to all law-abiding Americans. The Constitution doesn’t create that right – it ensures that the government can’t take it away. Our Founding Fathers knew, and our Supreme Court has upheld, that the Second Amendment’s purpose is to guarantee our right to defend ourselves and our families. This is about self-defense, plain and simple.

It’s been said that the Second Amendment is America’s first freedom. That’s because the Right to Keep and Bear Arms protects all our other rights. We are the only country in the world that has a Second Amendment. Protecting that freedom is imperative. Here’s how we will do that:

Enforce The Laws On The Books

We need to get serious about prosecuting violent criminals. The Obama administration’s record on that is abysmal. Violent crime in cities like Baltimore, Chicago and many others is out of control. Drug dealers and gang members are given a slap on the wrist and turned loose on the street. This needs to stop.

Several years ago there was a tremendous program in Richmond, Virginia called Project Exile. It said that if a violent felon uses a gun to commit a crime, you will be prosecuted in federal court and go to prison for five years – no parole or early release. Obama’s former Attorney General, Eric Holder, called that a “cookie cutter” program. That’s ridiculous. I call that program a success. Murders committed with guns in Richmond decreased by over 60% when Project Exile was in place – in the first two years of the program alone, 350 armed felons were taken off the street.

Why does that matter to law-abiding gun owners? Because they’re the ones who anti-gun politicians and the media blame when criminals misuse guns. We need to bring back and expand programs like Project Exile and get gang members and drug dealers off the street. When we do, crime will go down and our cities and communities will be safer places to live.

Here’s another important way to fight crime – empower law-abiding gun owners to defend themselves. Law enforcement is great, they do a tremendous job, but they can’t be everywhere all of the time. Our personal protection is ultimately up to us. That’s why I’m a gun owner, that’s why I have a concealed carry permit, and that’s why tens of millions of Americans have concealed carry permits as well. It’s just common sense. To make America great again, we’re going to go after criminals and put the law back on the side of the law-abiding.

Fix Our Broken Mental Health System

Let’s be clear about this. Our mental health system is broken. It needs to be fixed. Too many politicians have ignored this problem for too long.

All of the tragic mass murders that occurred in the past several years have something in common – there were red flags that were ignored. We can’t allow that to continue. We need to expand treatment programs, because most people with mental health problems aren’t violent, they just need help. But for those who are violent, a danger to themselves or others, we need to get them off the street before they can terrorize our communities. This is just common sense.

And why does this matter to law-abiding gun owners? Once again, because they get blamed by anti-gun politicians, gun control groups and the media for the acts of deranged madmen. When one of these tragedies occurs, we can count on two things: one, that opponents of gun rights will immediately exploit it to push their political agenda; and two, that none of their so-called “solutions” would have prevented the tragedy in the first place. They’ve even admitted it.

We need real solutions to address real problems. Not grandstanding or political agendas.

Defend The Rights of Law-Abiding Gun Owners

GUN AND MAGAZINE BANS. Gun and magazine bans are a total failure. That’s been proven every time it’s been tried. Opponents of gun rights try to come up with scary sounding phrases like “assault weapons”, “military-style weapons” and “high capacity magazines” to confuse people. What they’re really talking about are popular semi-automatic rifles and standard magazines that are owned by tens of millions of Americans. Law-abiding people should be allowed to own the firearm of their choice. The government has no business dictating what types of firearms good, honest people are allowed to own.

BACKGROUND CHECKS. There has been a national background check system in place since 1998. Every time a person buys a gun from a federally licensed gun dealer – which is the overwhelming majority of all gun purchases – they go through a federal background check. Study after study has shown that very few criminals are stupid enough to try and pass a background check – they get their guns from friends/family members or by stealing them. So the overwhelming majority of people who go through background checks are law-abiding gun owners. When the system was created, gun owners were promised that it would be instant, accurate and fair. Unfortunately, that isn’t the case today. Too many states are failing to put criminal and mental health records into the system – and it should go without saying that a system’s only going to be as effective as the records that are put into it. What we need to do is fix the system we have and make it work as intended. What we don’t need to do is expand a broken system.

NATIONAL RIGHT TO CARRY. The right of self-defense doesn’t stop at the end of your driveway. That’s why I have a concealed carry permit and why tens of millions of Americans do too. That permit should be valid in all 50 states. A driver’s license works in every state, so it’s common sense that a concealed carry permit should work in every state. If we can do that for driving – which is a privilege, not a right – then surely we can do that for concealed carry, which is a right, not a privilege.

MILITARY BASES AND RECRUITING CENTERS. Banning our military from carrying firearms on bases and at recruiting centers is ridiculous. We train our military how to safely and responsibly use firearms, but our current policies leave them defenseless. To make America great again, we need a strong military. To have a strong military, we need to allow them to defend themselves.

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Re: 2016 pres race Anyone going to be pro gun?
« Reply #24 on: September 18, 2015, 05:32:46 PM »
https://www.tedcruz.org/record/our-standard-the-constitution/


Second Amendment
  • Played a crucial role in preventing federal legislation to restrict the Second Amendment rights of Americans.
  • Authored legislation to strengthen the Second Amendment rights of Americans by allowing interstate firearms sales.
  • Led 31 states in District of Columbia v. Heller where the U.S. Supreme Court overturned a ban on firearms in a 5-4 landmark decision.
  • Honored by the National Rifle Association with a 2008 resolution for his leadership in the Heller case, which noted that his “efforts made this victory for the American people possible.”
  • Awarded the NRA’s 2010 Carter-Knight Freedom Fund, which “rewards exemplary activities in the support and protection of the right to Keep and Bear Arms” for his work in the Heller and McDonald cases.
  • Argued against unreasonable and burdensome gun restrictions before the U.S. Court of Appeals for the District of Columbia Circuit.
  • Recognized by NRA executive Vice President Wayne LaPierre who observed, “Ted Cruz is one of our nation’s leading defenders of the Second Amendment. For over a decade, Ted has fought tirelessly to defend our constitutional right to keep and bear arms, and his leadership was absolutely critical to our major victories before the U.S. Supreme Court.”

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Re: 2016 pres race Anyone going to be pro gun?
« Reply #25 on: September 18, 2015, 08:16:34 PM »
Dr. Carson has been quoted as saying,
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"It depends on where you live, I think. If you live in the midst of a lot of people and I'm afraid that that semi-automatic weapon is going to fall into the hands of a crazy person, I would rather you not have it. If you live out in the country somewhere by yourself, I have no problem."
in the past.

He has since tried to clarify what he meant, adding
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"But that is secondary to the desire to always defend the Second Amendment."

His compaign page has the following statement,
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It was no accident that our Founding Fathers enshrined the right to own firearms as the 2nd element of the Bill of Rights, immediately after establishing our free speech rights. I cannot and will not support any efforts to weaken The 2nd Amendment.

The 2nd Amendment is a central pillar of our Constitution. Our Founding Fathers added it explicitly in order to protect freedom in the United States of America. It provides our citizens the right to protect themselves from threats foreign or domestic.





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Re: 2016 pres race Anyone going to be pro gun?
« Reply #26 on: September 19, 2015, 11:48:54 PM »
CNN Poll Offers Bad News for Gun Controllers, Anti-gun Candidates
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Candidates for the Democratic presidential nomination – Hillary Clinton and Martin O’Malley – have spent significant effort in recent months trying to outdo one another on gun control by boasting about just how much they intend to trample upon our Second Amendment rights once in office. However, a new poll released this week from CNN and ORC International should give their campaign staffers pause, as it makes clear a majority of Americans staunchly support their Right to Keep and Bear Arms.

Respondents were asked “In your view, do existing laws make it too easy for people to buy guns, too difficult, or are they about right?” Half of respondents (49%) thought laws were “about right.” Certainly this is good news, but the revelation that is sure to give Michael Bloomberg and Everytown heartburn is that 10% responded that current laws make buying a gun “too difficult.”  Together, this means a strong majority (59%) of Americans are opposed to further restrictions on the Second Amendment. 

Perhaps the reason a strong majority of Americans aren’t in favor of more gun control is that they have realized the bankruptcy of the anti-gun advocates’ proposals. The survey went on to ask “If gun control laws were changed so that more comprehensive background checks were put in place for all gun purchases, how likely do you think that they would… prevent those with mental health problems from buying guns.” Respondents were offered the options of “extremely likely,” “very likely,” “somewhat likely,” and “not at all likely.”  A majority (56%) answered that checks were not at all likely or only somewhat likely to prevent such sales.

The same question was also asked as to whether further background checks would prevent convicted criminals from buying guns; and those polled were even more skeptical. This time, 58% thought that checks were not at all likely or only somewhat likely to restrict these sales.  Again, a majority of Americans are clearly on the pro-gun side of the equation.

These numbers shouldn’t come as a surprise. The American public’s attitude has been shifting in favor of gun rights, and against gun control, for more than two decades. Gallup’s polling from 1990 through 2014 tells the story, revealing that support for further restrictions on the sale of firearms has dropped by more than a third, while the desire to keep the laws the same or to make them less strict has exploded.

While we might question their prudence in touting radical gun controls in the face of such opposition, this, of course, doesn’t mean we hope Clinton and O’Malley alter their tactics. In fact, we can thank them for being very clear about their anti-gun beliefs -- along with their plans to scuttle the Second Amendment --so when it comes to the voting booth next fall, America’s 100 million gun owners will know the score.

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Re: 2016 pres race Anyone going to be pro gun?
« Reply #27 on: September 21, 2015, 09:28:06 PM »
Just in case you haven't heard, Governor Scott Walker has joined Perry in suspending his campaign. The field has narrowed from 16 to 14.

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Re: 2016 pres race Anyone going to be pro gun?
« Reply #28 on: October 05, 2015, 02:50:30 PM »
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2015/10/05/hillary-clinton-to-push-new-gun-control-proposals-executive-action-expanding/

Clinton unveils plan for tighter gun control including executive action, expanded background checks

Democratic presidential front-runner Hillary Clinton on Monday proposed tighter gun-control measures, including expanded background checks, and suggested that if elected she would use executive powers to achieve her goals.

“I want to push hard to get more sensible restraints,” Clinton said on NBC’s “Today” show. “I want to work with Congress, but I will look at ways as president.”

She called for expanded background checks for firearms sales online and at gun shows. Clinton also called for closing loopholes in federal laws that allow for gun-sale transactions to be completed if the buyer’s background check is not finished within three days.
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Re: 2016 pres race Anyone going to be pro gun?
« Reply #29 on: October 21, 2015, 12:08:19 AM »
Dem. Candidate, Jim Webb, has officially withdrawn from the race.  he is still considering an independent bid.

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Re: 2016 pres race Anyone going to be pro gun?
« Reply #30 on: November 01, 2015, 11:36:38 PM »
Did anyone else watch the CNBC Debate last week? WHat were you thoughts - other than the commentators? Did anyone stand out to you?

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Re: 2016 pres race Anyone going to be pro gun?
« Reply #31 on: December 07, 2015, 04:52:50 PM »
Jindal has officially withdrawn.

Heard about Bush's Super PAC action plan earlier today: http://nymag.com/daily/intelligencer/2015/12/bush-super-pac-to-carpet-bomb-rivals.html

Basically, they don't think Bush has a shot in hell against anyone other than Trump, so they are going to systemically destroy the rest of the competition.

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Re: 2016 pres race Anyone going to be pro gun?
« Reply #32 on: December 11, 2015, 11:18:34 AM »
Heard about Bush's Super PAC action plan earlier today

Basically, they don't think Bush has a shot in hell against anyone other than Trump, so they are going to systemically destroy the rest of the competition.

jeb! doesn't have a shot in hell against anyone.  The only reason he's on the news is because he *might* carry Florida and Florida is necessary for the win.  Burning the other candidates now will screw Rs in the general after jeb! doesn't get the nomination and he spent a year telling everyone (including Florida) how bad the other guys are.

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Re: 2016 pres race Anyone going to be pro gun?
« Reply #33 on: March 02, 2016, 02:05:57 PM »
Cross post from the Trump Rally picture thread Way to beat him on the issues.  I'd vote for Trump over Hitlery in the general, but I wouldn't support Trump in a primary or caucus.

I just don't think he can be trusted, even though he says he supports the Second Amendment.  He's been saying that he's for 2A (saying it more in recent times, but has pro-2A quotes for a while), but I think he's flat out wrong on a number of gun issues and I don't trust him.

http://www.ontheissues.org/Donald_Trump.htm#Gun_Control
Mass shootings are due to a huge mental health problem. (Jan 2016)
No limits on guns; they save lives. (Jan 2016)
Keep enemies of the state away from guns. (Nov 2015)
Gun-free zones are target practice for sickos. (Oct 2015)
Gun ownership makes US safer, not more dangerous. (Oct 2015)
Mental health more important than gun control. (Oct 2015)
Laws are ineffective in preventing gun violence. (Oct 2015)
Gun violence is inevitable; regulations won't help. (Oct 2015)
Protect the Second Amendment, but address mental health. (Sep 2015)
Take guns from good people & bad people have target practice. (Jul 2015)
A very strong person on the Second Amendment. (Jun 2015)
I am against gun control. (Feb 2011)
Dems and Reps are both wrong on guns. (Jul 2000)
For assault weapon ban, waiting period, & background check. (Jul 2000)

Yes, Trump SUPPORTED AWB, WAITING PERIODS, AND UBCs


Then, lately, he's talked about supporting a gun ban for people on the no-fly list http://www.cnn.com/2015/12/06/politics/2016-election-guns-no-fly-list/index.html, buying into the BS about "if you can't be trusted to fly, you can't be trusted with a gun".  What that ban would really mean is "if you have a similar name to someone who can't be trusted to fly (to include even infants), then you will fall under the blanket gun ban".

As far back as 2011 he said that he doesn't support gun control, but he's really only started being "pro 2nd amendment" since he's been running and I don't think for a second that it's anything other than pandering.

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Re: 2016 pres race Anyone going to be pro gun?
« Reply #34 on: March 02, 2016, 02:13:23 PM »
On the flip side, Cruz has a genuine solid 2A record with statements, actions, Amicus briefs, legal action, and more. 

I don't buy into the hype about Trump's popularity either and I'm not convinced that he would win the delegates to get the R nomination.  If you take a look at where he is winning, Trump has won a number of states with open primaries and lost 80% of the closed primaries, and the season is trending toward more closed primaries.  Cruz is winning the closed primaries.

What that says to me is that the Dems have a Limbaugh-style Operation Chaos going on.  Registered R's are voting for Cruz.  I'd call primary votes and delegates that are currently going toward other (also ran) candidates as a vote AGAINST Trump as much as a vote FOR those candidates.  When they bail, those delegates will likely go to Cruz, along with the delegates from the upcoming closed primaries that Cruz will also win.

I don't think that it will be a tough task for Cruz to win enough delegates to get the Republican nomination.  I'm also fairly certain that the Dems voting for Trump in open primaries will not vote for him in a general election, so that's a vote for Hitlery. 

The question is whether the people turning out to vote for Trump in primaries can be motivated to turn out for a genuine pro-gun candidate in the general and whether or not Trump will renege on his vow not to run third party.  If and when he doesn't get the nomination and runs 3rd party, he will definitely be a spoiler for the Rs.

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Re: 2016 pres race Anyone going to be pro gun?
« Reply #35 on: March 21, 2016, 10:26:25 AM »
So, we're down to Cruz, Kasich and Trump. I noticed that Cruz and Trump have information up on this post - here's Kasich. It sounds like they copied and pasted from this governor campaign. 

Gov. John R. Kasich continues to be a strong supporter of the right to bear arms and, as governor, has enacted sensible legislation to defend this basic, constitutional right. John Kasich is a gun-owner himself, and in his 2014 reelection was endorsed by the National Rifle Association for his support of the Second Amendment as an inviolate part of our Constitution.

Removing Burdensome Restrictions for Law-Abiding Concealed Carry Licensees: John Kasich enacted legislation protecting Ohio’s concealed carry laws, including protecting the privacy of permit holders and allowing for reciprocity licenses with other states where permit holders can carry their firearms.

Opposing Barack Obama’s Gun Control Efforts: John Kasich opposes President Obama’s gun control executive orders. The Second Amendment is too important and Obama’s hostility to it is too well known for him to be allowed to go around Congress and undermine the Second Amendment. His efforts to expand the federal government’s interference with Americans’ Right to Keep and Bear Arms are wrong and the governor opposes them.

Upholding Ohio’s Outdoors Traditions: In addition to having a $3.6 billion annual economic impact in Ohio, hunting and fishing are parts of Ohio’s long tradition of enjoying our natural places. John Kasich upheld this heritage by enacting legislation that removes restrictions on licensing requirements for hunters and by creating new policies to expand hunting rights in Ohio.


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GOP candidates drop pledge to back nominee, even if it isn't them
« Reply #36 on: March 30, 2016, 09:40:17 AM »
http://www.cnn.com/2016/03/30/politics/republican-town-hall-takeaways/index.html ( video will autoplay on that page)

The ironclad commitment each Republican presidential candidate gave to support the party's nominee -- no matter who that may be -- is no more.

Donald Trump and Ohio Gov. John Kasich explicitly renounced the commitment they'd made last fall, while Texas Sen. Ted Cruz said he'd have a hard time supporting Trump. The comments, which could reshape an already raucous GOP primary race, came during a town hall in Milwaukee, Wisconsin, one week ahead of the state's key primary.

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Re: 2016 pres race Anyone going to be pro gun?
« Reply #37 on: April 01, 2016, 11:33:20 AM »
http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/cruz-wins-citizenship-case-in-pennsylvania-supreme-court/ar-BBrcnPr?ocid=ansmsnnews11

Cruz wins a citizenship case in Pennsylvania.


On another note - does anyone think Trump's recent comments about abortion are going to hurt him? He says the comments were taken out of context and he may have misspoken. If he wins the nomination, I think the Dems will do what they always do, and pick the "war on women" as a focus point and bash him for what he said. It worked on Romney with some of the independent women voters, at least, that's what the known polls suggest.

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Re: 2016 pres race Anyone going to be pro gun?
« Reply #38 on: May 18, 2016, 09:46:21 PM »
Looks like we are going to see Clinton vs Trump (maybe Biden vs Trump?) Heard an "interesting" bit of interview Biden did on TV he said something along lines of "I am the best candidate this election cycle". Later, a local radio personality said he thinks Clinton will get indicted right before the DNC, Biden will get the nod, then Obama will pardon Clinton. Yes, there is precedent for a POTUS giving a pardon before someone was actually found guilty of a crime.

What do you think?

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Re: 2016 pres race Anyone going to be pro gun?
« Reply #39 on: July 25, 2016, 01:58:20 PM »
Prepared scripts from the DNC batch of WikiLeaks leaked emails for an anti-NRA rally conference call include some good excerpts: 

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It's crystal clear that Donald Trump stands with the NRA and the gun industry

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The National Rifle Association is the most powerful gun lobby in the nation, and they have tried to shut down any attempts at [gun control]

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Meanwhile the NRA is advocating for further deregulation of firearms

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The NRA and its extreme, uncompromising leadership have blocked reasonable reforms

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the NRA and their allies worked to defeat the bill

Outstanding.  Political opponents are afraid of the NRA (i.e. US, the NRA members!) and they seem to associate Trump with genuine NRA support.  Keep up the good work.  Join or renew at the link in our sig.
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