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Firearms Related / Sig Sauer P320 "Voluntary Upgrade" Program
« Last post by GunLink on August 16, 2017, 02:30:56 PM »

There are now plenty of videos and discussions going on around the internet that most people by now know that the Sig Sauer P320 can be caused to fire unintentionally (that is, without an intentional, manual trigger pull) by being dropped at a certain angle or even by giving it a firm whack on the behind.

The company has temporarily suspended shipment of the P320 from the factory while they “ramp up to implement changes” related to the condition.

Sig announced last week that they would be issuing a voluntary upgrade to the P320 to address concerns and the details of that upgrade program -which will include “an alternate design that reduces the physical weight of the trigger, sear, and striker while additionally adding a mechanical disconnector” – are now available.

READ MORE HERE - Details of Sig Sauer’s P320 “Voluntary Upgrade Program”
News, Articles & Columns / US Court Appeals Rules In Favor Of Gun Rights
« Last post by LivingDeadGirl on July 26, 2017, 04:04:26 PM »
the US Court of Appeals ruled that the law requiring citizens seeking concealed carry permits  to provide proof they feared injury or their job required it is unconstitutional. According to the law, living in a home crime area did not meet the requirement for "good reason".

Supports of the law said they plan to appeal to ruling, which will kick the case up to the Supreme Court.

General Talk / Celebrities Err Too
« Last post by LivingDeadGirl on July 26, 2017, 03:57:35 PM »
Early this year, TSA declared that a record number of firearms were confiscated at airports across the country in carry-on luggage (http://www.dailymail.co.uk/travel/travel_news/article-4147780/Record-number-guns-carry-bags-airports.html). Knowing that more than 3,000 people, accidentally or intentionally tried to take a firearm through the security process. It is nice to know that celebrities make mistakes as well.

The most celebrity to make the mistake is country music star Scotty McCreery, a licensed concealed carry holder, honestly forgot the weapon was in backpack. (http://people.com/country/scotty-mccreery-loaded-gun-airport-checkpoint/). He joins the ranks along with Pittsburg Steeler Senquez Golson (http://www.tmz.com/2017/04/12/pittsburgh-steelers-senquez-golson-gun-airport/), Rocker Rick Derringer was caught after a flight with a firearm in his bag, so he got through security and he claims he flies at least 30 times a year and has never had a problem before (http://www.mercurynews.com/2017/02/10/rock-musician-charged-with-having-loaded-gun-on-delta-flight/), rapper Coolio was caught at the airport with firearm , plus he cannot legally have a firearm (http://www.latimes.com/local/lanow/la-me-ln-coolio-firearm-charges-lax-20161013-snap-story.html), Shemane Nugent was arrested a few years ago (https://www.dallasnews.com/news/crime/2013/08/29/ted-nugents-wife-arrested-after-gun-found-in-carry-on-bag-at-dfw-airport), and many more professional athletes just to name a few.

They are only human after all.
Gear Review / N82 Tactical Kydex Envoy (and Ambasador) Review
« Last post by GunLink on July 26, 2017, 01:27:44 PM »
While doing some social media surfing not too long ago, we came across a post from N82 Tactical introducing their latest holster model - the Envoy.

We gathered that the new holster had a kydex shell and made use of passive retention (that was pretty easy - since it says as much in the post) and it sure looks like the Envoy has dropped the edge material like the earlier models that we reviewed in favor of a "naked" edge as shown in the Tandem photos above.  We've always been impressed with the comfort of the N82 line and love seeing companies innovate and grow, so we reached out to Nate Beard for some more details about the Envoy holster.

What's New

Nate let us know that the main, obvious difference between the N82 Tactical Professional model and the Envoy model is the shell material and tooling used for the retention part of the holsters.  As described in our Pro model review above, the Professional holsters use clear, stiff polycarbonate material for the shell with a deep, straight ridge that sits behind the front of the trigger guard for retention.  To draw from a Pro model, the wearer grasps the pistol's grip, twists the pistol slightly inward to lift the trigger guard past the ridge, and draws. 

The Pro model retention bump is pretty steep and flat

In contrast, Nate explained, the new Envoy model from N82 uses a shell made from more flexible Kydex.  While the retention ridge behind the trigger guard doesn't look much, if any, shallower than that on the Pro model, it feels a lot more rounded.  That flexibility and smoother bump provide passive retention from the Envoy, allowing the wearer to draw straight up and out of the holster without any other action or motion (read: twisting) needed aside from overcoming the resistance from the retention bump.  This sounded like an evolutionary step forward in the holster line and Nate offered to send us one of the new holsters to test out, so we took him up on the offer. 


When it launched, the only Envoy shells available were for close to a dozen Glock models and Smith & Wesson's trifecta of Shield pistols.  Since we already have carry experience with the N82 Professional model for a G19, we figured that would be the one best suited for the fairest comparison and Nate got one in the mail to us. 

Out of the box, the Envoy looked very similar to the Pro, with the exception of color/translucence/texture of the shell material.  The Envoy comes with the new polymer clips (as do all new N82 holsters now, I believe).  The backer, not surprisingly appears to be identical, as does the method of mounting the shell.  As we noticed from the IG post, the envoy features a "naked" edge, which Nate told us is going to be how all future holsters will be constructed based on customer feedback from the Pro Tandem and "for future plans on the models" (we wonder if this is secret code for "combat cut coming soon").  At first glance, I wasn't particularly keen on the lack of edge binding - I thought the trim looked good where it was.

The Backing - As Good as Ever

Since, edge binding notwithstanding, the holster backings were the same, it is no surprise that the Envoy was every bit as comfortable as the rest of the N82 lineup - which is to say very comfortable.  The suede is soft and cool and doesn't stick to you when you sweat, and we have been doing a lot of that with temps in the high 90s and low 100s and plenty of outside work to do.  All that sweating put the N82 Envoy's pistol/body isolation to the test and it kept the oceans of sweat off of the pistol and kept me not having to worry about sweat corrosion on the slide - even if the sweat got into the suede back, it would still have a layer of neoprene and another layer of leather to get through before it found my precious EDC Glock. 

We did, however, notice that once the holster dried out that there were white sweat stains along the bottom edge - presumably from the sweat either running/dripping or wicking down to the edge through the suede.  Truth be told, I tend to think of the N82 holsters as more "fancy" than a lot of other holsters in the Box O' Holsters (maybe it's the suede, maybe it's the smooth leather on the front, or maybe it's the comfort or overall craftsmanship) and I don't usually punish them by working hard outside in triple digit temps.  As such, I'm not sure if I haven't noticed sweat stains on other N82 holsters because they have the cloth edge binding covering it up, or just because I haven't soaked them as thoroughly. 

Lastly on the holster's backing material, I did notice a couple other things I hand't ever noticed on N82 Tactical holsters in the past.  I tend to carry the holsters anywhere from 3:30 to 5 o'clock or so on my body.  This placement lets my belt ride fairly flat across the rearward part of the holster, but can flex the front edge fairly harshly sometimes.  I'm not sure if they're gluing the suede backing to the inner neoprene layer now and the old models were "free floating" or what, but on the Envoy, I noticed that the suede was kind of bunched up where that flexing happens and stays bunched up even after the holster is off.  Around the top/front rivet that holds the shell onto the backer, I also noticed a tiny bit of cracking in the black front leather where it had been flexed tightly (like stretch marks for holsters).  I think that the creasing/cracking is just superficial cosmetic damage that won't effect performance or longevity at all, but I did notice it and it made me wonder further if they changed anything about the construction of the backing from the old models (gluing layers together, tanning/dying process, etc.) 

That Draw, Though...

So maybe the above is a lot of words over the part of the holster that hasn't changed (and remains as great as ever) when the real meat of the changes is on the holster's shell.

I love most things about American manufacturing and fabrication and I know that N82 proudly makes all of their holsters in North Carolina and, after they acquired Magna-Arm, they brought that production into the same area, so I was, of course, curious about the who, how, and where of the new shells. 

Nate filled me in that the Kydex is being formed and trimmed on the same machines as the polycarbonate shells but they have to make new kydex specific molds for the new Envoy and Ambasador (Pro Tandem with Kydex) holsters. Except for the materials used, the new shells look identical to the old shells with regard to shape, mounting hardware, mounting hardware locations, etc. 

The draw on the Envoy is fantastic.  Just as advertised, it is a straight draw past some mild passive retention.  As comfortable and protective as N82 holsters are, my only two beefs with the hard-shell models have been the extra twist-to-draw motion needed on Pro models, and the little bit of extra thickness on single-clip models.  The latter is solved by N82's two-clip models, the Pro-tandem and the Ambasador.  Lots of people love the extra retention offered by the Pro and it does work well provided that you have time to practice and build up the muscle memory.  Given the range of firearms I carry in different holsters, I personally prefer a simple "grab the pistol and pull" method of drawing across the board.

Nate also said that Kydex is more sensitive to heat and UV than the polycarbonate used on the Pro series but it is definitely the material of choice to allow the flex needed to allow for the straight draw.  We have carried a lot of holsters, including Kydex OWB and IWB in very hot environments (hot weather, hot engine compartments, etc.) for years and have never seen any signs of degradation from either heat or UV exposure (which will be very minimal with N82 holsters, since they are IWB holsters). 

N82 Tactical Envoy (left) and Professional (right)


All in all, I think that this new version of the N82 Tactical holsters makes it near perfect (if you are a fan of the twist retention, they were already pretty much there).  They are very comfortable, completely isolate your body from the pistol (and vice versa), and are now even more user friendly with an easier draw that doesn't require extra practice, muscle memory, or brain cycles. 

The extra thickness issue is no longer an issue if you have a problem with it, since N82 introduced the two-clip models at last year's NRAAM.

The only remaining issue that I could stretch to come up with would be the lack of cutout to allow for an easier full grip, and I am not even sure that counts as an issue.  N82 holsters have the full-coverage backing by design to keep sharp angles, high ridges, and aggressive grip texture off of the wearer's body to stay comfortable and to keep the wearer's body off of the firearm to help prevent corrosion.  Although it is three stacked layers, the backing is pretty flexible and doesn't really get in the way of your thumb when grabbing the pistol to draw it.  Nonetheless, it seems like that option is more likely to be a possibility in the future now that the edge binding is going away. 

Good job, N82, on continuing to improve your products to give concealed carriers what they want and need.
General Talk / June 2017 TacPack - Tactical Subscription Box
« Last post by GunLink on July 25, 2017, 10:59:29 PM »
So, the first TacPack that we received was the June 2017 box.  Boxes ship out right around mid-month and you have to be current on your subscription by the end of the previous month to get it (so you would have had to been signed up by June 30 for this box).  Contents of previous boxes (and the ability to buy them at a higher price than the subscription cost) are listed on the TacPack website.

The June TacPack contains a Burnproof Gear Rail Rap (valued at 75.00), a Nineline insulated tumbler (valued at 24.00), Armaspec Anti-Walk Pins (valued at 15.00), and an ABKT Tactical Phantom Spector Knife (valued at 36.00).  Longer descriptions of the items from the TacPack website are posted on the GunLink Blog entry for this box.

Since this is our first TacPack, we'll give some overall first impressions from opening up the box.  I don't know if I was expecting a few ammo cans and a crate of rifles to be in it or what, but the box was smaller than I expected - about the size of a women's shoe box or a third the size of my boot boxes.  It came via USPS an a well marked TacPack box, so do whatever you want with that information if you have sketchy neighbors.  It was packed well and nothing was damated (or even seemed to have shifted around). 


Using the values shown on the included card, the box is worth $150 - not bad for the $50 a month subscription fee.

Most of the value of this box comes from the Burnproof Gear Rail Rap.  I've heard of this company before from their suppressor covers but hadn't every really looked too hard at them since we don't tend to keep covers on our cans.  The rail wrap is pretty much what it sounds like - it covers your rail to keep you from burning your hands when you heat up your rail. 

I probably wouldn't have ever looked at this product on my own to buy it because it simply wouldn't have really occurred to me.  We frequently shoot our rifles enough to get pretty hot, but the usual remedy is to either pretend like it doesn't hurt or complain relentlessly - depending on mood.  The wrap solves the issue and looks pretty cool doing it.  The real win here is probably one we ran into last weekend shooting with one of our friends - that black guns get HOT when left to sit in the hot sun for even just a few minutes.  This solves that problem as well, along with the issue of not buggering up our fresh rails when we haphazardly pile guns into the safe.

I probably wouldn't have ever purchased this on my own, so TacPack introduced me to first hand experience with a new product from a new-to-me company.  Mission accomplished.

Next in the box was the Tanker cup from Nineline.  Honestly, we need another stainless steel insulated tumbler like we need a hole in the head, but they work great and we'll get plenty of use out of it.  Plus, based on some conversations we've had recently, it turns out that there are still people out there who don't have, or even know about the existence of, these cups.  They keep my coffee stupid-hot for long parts of road trips and hold ice in my tea for all-day refills.  Best part here:  The lid seals (unlike some other tumblers) so that when you backhand it off the side of your desk or mess up the order of "put cup in car" and "drive off in car," you still have your beverage intact.

The lid gasket was a little fouled up out of the box from sitting compressed for so long, but it seems to have gotten its shape back now that it has been in and out a few times.

The Armaspec Anti-Walk pins were the lowest valued items in the box but probably the ones that I was the most excited for; mainly because it is the product from the box that I would have been most likely to purchase on my own.  It isn't like I have a burning need for anti-walk pins, but I've been kicking around the idea of putting a set into one or two of our rifles that see harder use, more rapid fire, and have various trigger groups in them. 

The ABKT Tactical Phantom Spector knife was another one of those hole-in-the-head type items in this box.  I have drawers full of knives.  I'm actually not even supposed to buy any more knives because, apparently, I "have too many."   ::)  Whatever.  So this was a nice end-run around that little household rule. 

The Phantom Spector came out of the box plenty sharp to shave some hair (and skin). 


It's another Chinese knife, but they aren't doing too awfully bad with their steels these days.  The 8CR13MOV blade is supposed to perform pretty similarly to AUS8 in that it should sharpen easily to a good edge, keep that edge for a while, and be fairly corrosion resistant.  The ABKT website says it has anodized handles, but the scales feel like plastic to me. 

It is a fairly hefty knife for what it is, close to 9" with the tanto blade open, and a bit of weight to it. 

It opens fast - about as fast as a lot of my assisted opening knives even though it isn't spring assisted.  The blade apparently opens on ball bearings and flips out fast after you overcome the detent.  It should make a good beater knife that one wouldn't be worried about using too hard or shed too many tears over if you lost it.  I wonder how well the bearings will hold up after getting wet, soaked with kerosene, dropped in the dirt, and suffering various other fates that working knives endure. 

July TacPack Overall

We thought it was a pretty cool box with some neat stuff in it - stuff that we will get real use out of and that we might not have otherwise pulled the trigger on buying on our own.  We'll stick with a subscription for a while and see how it pans out.

General Talk / TacPack - Tactical Subscription Box
« Last post by GunLink on July 25, 2017, 09:47:56 PM »
If you are on any kind of social media (like following GunLink on Twitter, Facebook, or Instagram), you've probably seen the rise in popularity of subscription boxes over the past several years.  I'm a gun guy, so I see (or at least notice) gun-related subscription boxes, but the rest of the GunLink staff who doesn't live under a rock tells me that they are available for any sort of niche these days.  But who cares about those? 

If you aren't familiar with the concept, you sign up for a subscription and each month you get a grab bag (or box) of stuff in the mail.  I guess it's sort of like the ads in the back of gun magazines that try to use all the money we spend on guns to guilt guys into buying their sweetheart a monthly subscription to some novelty.  But, instead of "Gee, great... another bottle of crappy wine" or "Oh, look... more Indonesian sweatshop pajamas" it's "Hey, cool... a box of gun stuff!"

The first one we noticed (probably on Instagram) was TacPack.  Recently we connected with TacPack via Twitter and they offered to send us over this month's box to see what it was all about. 

The box arrived the other day and we thought it was pretty cool, so I think we're going to subscribe for a while and share how it goes.

If you subscribe (or not) and want to share what you think about the service or the box contents, or if you have any questions, feel free to post them in this thread.

Other Industry Members / NSSF Launches All-New Website
« Last post by GunLink on July 24, 2017, 11:41:22 AM »
NSSF Launches All-New Website

The National Shooting Sports Foundation® (NSSF®), the trade association for the firearms industry, is pleased to announce the launch of its completely redesigned website, www.nssf.org.

The all-new home page sports a clean division of assets that both industry members and consumers will find to be highly user-friendly, connecting them directly to the information they need.

Top-of-page menu items are streamlined to direct content intended for industry member categories — retailers, ranges, manufacturers and media. Below these headings is a selection of consumer- and industry-relevant topics, such as Safety, Government Relations and Compliance, as well as three consumer-specific menu choices, Where to Shoot, Where to Hunt and a brand-new Where to Buy section.

A variety of impactful industry communications, event listings, social media links, current industry research, trending information and other news round out the site’s sleek homepage, which is supported by images and streaming graphics that provide a modern, engaging appeal and encourages frequent visitation.

Firearms Related / House Bill Tackles Gun Control and ATF Funding
« Last post by LivingDeadGirl on July 18, 2017, 06:37:31 PM »

The House Appropriations Committee passed a bill that ties ATF Funding to certain gun control regulations. One specific example will prohibit the use of federal funds to transfer a firearm to individual that is believed to be an agent of a drug cartel (basically, prevents another federally funded Fast and Furious). It also prohibits the use of federal funds to implement the ATT (arms Trade Treaty) that Obama signed, but the Senate did not ratify.

Finally, something worthwhile is coming out of the House.  What are your thoughts? Does this do enough?
Gear Review / Re: Review of TALON Grips on GunLink Blog
« Last post by GunLink on July 05, 2017, 12:12:39 PM »
Time for a follow-up on our original review of the TALON Grips after a couple years of use.

We currently have both rubber and granulate type TALON grips installed on various firearms, including a few Gen 3 Glocks, a pocket-carried Ruger LCP, and our project Keltec P-11.

In the original review, we noted that Talon rep Adam had informed us that the expected lifespan of the grips could be anywhere from one to three years.  Now that we have had a couple of years with our original grips, that window sounds about right for heavy use.

How they hold up

The original grips that we installed were rubberized grips on a Generation 3 Glock 19 (my personal EDC CCW) and a Kel-Tec P11.  The Glock pistol gets carried through blisteringly cold Great Lakes winter days to hot southern summers, gets sweated on, slept on, stuck in cold cargo holds at 40,000 feet, taken to dusty and muddy pistol courses, passed around at frequent range days, banged into door frames, seatbelts, and chair arms, and generally subjected to all of the other hardships that an all-day every-day carry gun gets to endure.

The Adhesive
After a few weeks of carry, the tails of the grip started to peel loose from the back of the pistol grip.  If you are not familiar with Glocks, this is the only part of a Gen 3 Glock that has any aggressiveness to its texture, and it has pretty deep grooves with small peaks that come to points that are spaced about 1/8" apart, not leaving much surface area for the Talon Grips to hold on to.  With a little pocket knife surgery, I trimmed well above the part of the tails that were peeling.

After excising the problematic heel portion of the grips on the Glock, there has been no additional peeling at the tail or on the outside bottom edge that gets the most contact with clothing, seats, and obstacles.  The current condition of the heel after more than two years of carry is shown below (the original length of the tails can be seen in the Glock photos from the original review)

None of the other Talon-equipped firearms see nearly as much use as this G19, but the LCP is probably the next most frequently carried among them, and under different conditions.  The LCP has also made a few trips in cold cargo holds and hot vehicles to be carried in wide temperature and humidity ranges.  When it does get carried, it is almost always pocket carried in a sticky holster or, far less frequently, IWB.  As such, it probably sees arguably harsher conditions on the grip as it is in constant contact with clothing on both sides and gets sat on and rubbed with each step or movement.  Despite that, the adhesive is still holding on as if it were new.  Most of the other firearms with Talon grips spend most of their time in various safes or night stands when they aren't on the range, so they do not see much use at all and are holding up fine.

The Materials
Since the adhesive appears to hold up really well, the only other thing to worry about on Talon Grips is the actual grip material -
 either the rubber or granular surface. 

After a little more than a year of fairly rugged (almost) every day carry of the Glock, we noticed the rubber beginning to harden, but still performing pretty well - although not nearly as well as when they were first applied.  We contacted Adam to see if he had seen this before, and he had not.  He did advise to try the first steps of a "light wipe down with a cloth moistened with isopropyl alcohol to remove dirt and oil," which we had already tried.  After some discussion, we decided that I would experiment with trying to roughen up the rubber with light sanding.  In different spots on the grip, I tried 120, 220, and 320 grit sandpaper followed by a wipe-down with alcohol and various cleaners.  While 120 + alcohol seemed to do the best at breathing a little bit of new life into the grips, they still did not perform as well as when they were new. 

Now, a little more than two years into EDC with the Talon Grips, they have continued to harden and loose the friction that one looks for in this application.  They are still probably marginally better the stock Gen 3 Glock texture in most spots (some of the smoother sanded spots are just about useless), but I think they have reached the end of their life span.  They are supposed to be very easy to cleanly remove, so watch for an update here on that process.

On the rest of the firearms with Talon grips, the material is holding up well on both rubberized and granular models - which mirrors Adam's reports of longevity for his firearms that see roughly the same amount of action.  We do have another Gen 3 G19 with the granular version, and the grip that you can achieve on it is outstanding.  I would like to see how well they hold up under similar use; however, I would not want to EDC it due to the  abrasive nature of them and the discomfort they would yield with IWB carry.

The Verdict
All of the Talon Grips on our non-EDC pistols has held up great through casual use in range-toy, occasional carry, or home defense roles.  Even though the rubberized grips on the EDC pistol have reached the end of their useful life, up to this point they have performed very well and we are quite pleased with them overall. 

As mentioned above, the grips are supposed to come off cleanly and easily, so we plan on replacing the worn-out grips with another set just like them and we will report back on that process.  The only bad part is that we just missed out on the Fourth of July sale that Talon ran on their grips.
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