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Offline leadfarmer

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Are they going to ban bump stocks now?
« on: October 06, 2017, 10:48:16 AM »
Are you kidding me?  >:(

I don't own a bumpfire or really even care about them, but I get so sick and tired of them desparately clutching at any thing they can to take nibbles out of 2A rights.  It is especially disgusting when they exploit American's deaths to do it.  Right after the attack in Las Vegas Hillary was saying that it's a reason to kill the hearing protection act... wth does that have to do with anything?  Now all kinds of politicians are calling for a ban on bumpfire AND THE NRA IS OPEN TO COMPROMISING ON IT!?!?!?

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Are they going to ban bump stocks now?
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Offline leadfarmer

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Re: Are they going to ban bump stocks now?
« Reply #1 on: October 06, 2017, 10:49:53 AM »
(FAIRFAX, VA) - The National Rifle Association today issued the following statement:

"In the aftermath of the evil and senseless attack in Las Vegas, the American people are looking for answers as to how future tragedies can be prevented.  Unfortunately, the first response from some politicians has been to call for more gun control.  Banning guns from law-abiding Americans based on the criminal act of a madman will do nothing to prevent future attacks.  This is a fact that has been proven time and again in countries across the world.  In Las Vegas, reports indicate that certain devices were used to modify the firearms involved. Despite the fact that the Obama administration approved the sale of bump fire stocks on at least two occasions, the National Rifle Association is calling on the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives (BATFE) to immediately review whether these devices comply with federal law.  The NRA believes that devices designed to allow semi-automatic rifles to function like fully-automatic rifles should be subject to additional regulations. In an increasingly dangerous world, the NRA remains focused on our mission: strengthening Americans' Second Amendment freedom to defend themselves, their families and their communities.  To that end, on behalf of our five million members across the country, we urge Congress to pass National Right-to-Carry reciprocity, which will allow law-abiding Americans to defend themselves and their families from acts of violence."


I am so mad and disgusted right now

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Re: Are they going to ban bump stocks now?
« Reply #2 on: October 08, 2017, 02:50:18 PM »
the BATFE clearly defines semi-automatic fire as trigger pull equals one shot. The bump stock doesn't change anything about that definition. And I have heard some people fire a normal semiauto with a really good trigger and trigger control that sounds almost like automatic fire too! So they are going to regulate how fast you can possible pull the trigger?

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Re: Are they going to ban bump stocks now?
« Reply #3 on: October 19, 2017, 04:40:28 PM »
They already opened their mouth, stuck their foot in, and then rammed their head up their a$$ with the first statement.  Now this statement says that they oppose THIS BILL but I don't see anything about a real change of opinion.

I think it's time to give a lot of the NRA board their walking papers and bring in new board members that will actually "STAND AND FIGHT" for 2A rights.  That's why I don't understand so many people walking away from their memberships.  Be a voting member and vote for a board that stands for what you want!


http://freebeacon.com/issues/nra-opposes-new-bump-fire-stock-ban-bill/
NRA Opposes New Bump Fire Stock Ban Bill
Bill's language may reach far beyond bump fire stocks

The National Rifle Association announced on Wednesday its opposition to a new bill that would ban any firearm part that effectively increases the rate of fire of a semi-automatic rifle.

"We are opposed to the Feinstein and Curbelo legislation," Jennifer Baker, a spokesperson for the NRA's Institute for Legislative Action, told the Washington Free Beacon.

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Re: Are they going to ban bump stocks now?
« Reply #4 on: October 23, 2017, 10:00:29 AM »
I'm tired of being sold out by the groups and politicians that are supposed to be serving us and standing up for the constitution.  All they said was that they oppose that one bill because it goes too far/is too broad. They already said that they want "devices designed to allow semi-automatic rifles to function like fully-automatic rifles should be subject to additional regulations".

If they want to go back to being (or staying) the NRA that is about protecting peoples deer rifles and bird guns then screw them.  The restrictions on automatic firearms are already unconstitutional and should have been undone with the Miller case in the 30s.  Does the NRA want to protect the 2nd amendment or not?

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Re: Are they going to ban bump stocks now?
« Reply #5 on: October 24, 2017, 07:59:37 PM »
I can't tell wha they're up to anymore. It almost seems like someone is lobbying them or they're trying to find a "middle " ground just like this bum rinos in Congress on everything they campaigned on.  Or maybe it's Russia's fault?

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Re: Are they going to ban bump stocks now? - MA did!
« Reply #6 on: November 04, 2017, 12:07:31 PM »
Massachusetts just signed their budget bill into effect and it had a bumpstock ban built into it.   :o  With a mandatory 18 month sentence with up to LIFE IN PRISON for owning an accessory that was legal yesterday morning!

I guess in 90 days they start treating bump stocks and trigger cranks like machine guns, which are a big no-no in MA.




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It'd be easy to say that the Massholes are getting the government they deserve, but the dirty politicians that do this crap are everywhere.  Who will be next?  Colorado, Nevada, Washington?

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Re: Are they going to ban bump stocks now?
« Reply #7 on: November 04, 2017, 03:46:31 PM »
Wow.  Sad for the the birthplace of the American Revolution to stomp on rights like this.  People around here have been selling them for 5-600 for the last month.

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Re: Are they going to ban bump stocks now?
« Reply #8 on: January 12, 2018, 06:45:06 PM »
The ATF is taking comments up to January 25th on pending regulations that could ban bump stocks.  Submit your comments to OPPOSE NEW REGULATIONS ON BUMPSTOCKS now. 

Submit comments here



The following is from GOA:

1.  BUMP STOCKS DO NOT FALL WITHIN THE DEFINITION OF “MACHINE GUN” UNDER THE NFA.

The Obama administration was correct when, in 2010, it determined that bump stocks did not convert semi-autos into fully automatic firearms.

Federal law says, in part, that a machine gun is a weapon that can fire “automatically more than one shot ... by a single function of the trigger.” The definition includes “...any part designed and intended solely and exclusively ... for use in converting a weapon into a machinegun...” (26 U.S.C. 5845(b))

According to this definition, a “bump stock” does not fall within this definition.

With a “bump stock,” each and every round is discharged as the result of an independent pull of the trigger.  So it is simply untrue that the “bump stock” assists the discharge of more than one round “by a single function of the trigger” -- no matter how fast the gun discharges rounds. 

One pull, one discharge.  This is the classic textbook definition of a SEMI-automatic firearm.

If the ATF were to illegitimately use a standard based on “increasing the rate of fire” to ban or regulate bump stocks, then what is to stop it from illegitimately holding that other rate-increasing devices -- like belt loops, sticks or fingers -- are “machineguns” as well?  YouTube abounds with examples of people using these items to increase the rate of fire of their semi-autos.

 
2. ATF HAS NO CONSTITUTIONAL OR LEGAL AUTHORITY TO BAN OR REGULATE BUMP STOCKS.

The ATF's statutory authority, contained at 6 U.S.C. 531, is very narrow.  Nowhere does federal law give ATF the general authority to regulate the safety of firearms, accessories, or parts.  This is important, because, if federal law did do this, then it could administratively ban semi-automatics, or handguns, or all guns.

Constitutionally, the Second Amendment says the right of the people to keep and bear arms “shall not be infringed.” Our rights are not privileges from the government that can be revoked or regulated at will. And regulating or banning bump stocks would serve as unconstitutional infringements.
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Re: Are they going to ban bump stocks now?
« Reply #9 on: February 20, 2018, 04:18:27 PM »
Press secretary said at the briefing today that they are "looking into options about how to regulate bumpstocks" after they were used in Las Vegas. Funny how that's one of the only things (or at least that we're told from the leaked crime scene photos) about the whole Vegas attack.

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Re: Trump memo on bumpstock regulations
« Reply #10 on: February 21, 2018, 11:53:47 AM »


Presidential Memorandum on the Application of the Definition of Machinegun to “Bump Fire” Stocks and Other Similar Devices

After the deadly mass murder in Las Vegas, Nevada, on October 1, 2017, I asked my Administration to fully review how the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives regulates bump fire stocks and similar devices.

Although the Obama Administration repeatedly concluded that particular bump stock type devices were lawful to purchase and possess, I sought further clarification of the law restricting fully automatic machineguns.

Accordingly, following established legal protocols, the Department of Justice started the process of promulgating a Federal regulation interpreting the definition of “machinegun” under Federal law to clarify whether certain bump stock type devices should be illegal.  The Advanced Notice of Proposed Rulemaking was published in the Federal Register on December 26, 2017.  Public comment concluded on January 25, 2018, with the Department of Justice receiving over 100,000 comments.

Today, I am directing the Department of Justice to dedicate all available resources to complete the review of the comments received, and, as expeditiously as possible, to propose for notice and comment a rule banning all devices that turn legal weapons into machineguns.

Although I desire swift and decisive action, I remain committed to the rule of law and to the procedures the law prescribes.  Doing this the right way will ensure that the resulting regulation is workable and effective and leaves no loopholes for criminals to exploit.  I would ask that you keep me regularly apprised of your progress.

You are authorized and directed to publish this memorandum in the Federal Register.

DONALD J. TRUMP

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Re: Are they going to ban bump stocks now?
« Reply #11 on: Yesterday at 04:27:03 PM »
Only 100,000 comments in a month? I would have thought it would be more.

On that note, I think and hope, this a show to make the point there’s nothing illegal about these accessories and never has been. Maybe we will even get the chance to educate some people about the ridiculous BATFE rules and get some changes there.


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